any BMW 2002 folks in here ?

[Xavier PJB]

Can't believe there is no 02 pals in this awesome community.

Any return on experience in racing wth the 02s ? Mods ?
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[execmalibu]

I have a bunch of E9s and 850Cis do they count?

[Xavier PJB]

Niiiiice !

But would prefer 2002 experiences.

Xavier

[uai]

Xavier you could have asked me last weekend - what do you want to know?
Or more important which group / period do you want to drive?
I have my 3rd one right now and a lot of friends race theirs.
The one on top belongs to a close friend who drives in youngtimer trophy this year.
My engine builder also is racing his 2002 for many years and builds lots of M10s.
The bottom one is my (past) convertible.
The middle one is "der Ratz" an extremely good base (although it looks fuchsed up in the pics)
It is in work right now and will get a period homemade tuning look with all the rare and überrare Parts but it won't be restored, just "repaired" and kept looking old in the visible areas.
I have period Campagnolo Electrons (tha same as on the Bizzarini 1900) or ATS 4 Spoke (can't decide yet)
Sachs negative camber Struts or Alpina Bilstein negative Cambers (can't decide too)
911 S Calipers front, Alpina adjustable swaybars, Alpina progressive Springs (Hens teeth) , Alpina Gossen Tach, Alpina Rollbar,
More wheels than a car can take (several Alpinas , Hubert Hahne), more seats than a car can take,
100 Liter Alu tank (ex alpina car - but not built by alpina), Bilstein rosejointed upsidedown dampers for the rear, a toe/camber adjustable rear axle (not period correct), reinforced Front axle, Schnitzer 240 km/h speedo (also Hens teeth), H1 lights (like amplilux), a nice engine with ca. 180 hp and a nice period airbox, Clutch with Aluminium pressure plate (like the ones used on porsche but extremely rare), ti/sa gearbox (as it is a 67 car i just had to get one), longneck LSD, and loads of other cool period stuff.


Parts are cheap (compared to porsche stuff) but period racing stuff is much harder to find.
If you want a fast roadgoing car that's not too difficult to build, if you want to drive FIA approved it gets harder.
I have the homologation papers here and give you hints whom to ask and where to buy.

If I would want to race I'd go for a 1800ti 4 door -way cooler in appearance. There was an interesting car with period race history for sale last year - perhaps not competitive to a car with an Uli Gerent engine but also not too expensive.


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[Xavier PJB]

Uli, just visted a 2002 normale 1969 with a HTP group2.
Pretty nice but, bit of rust on door, overall solid. Engine is matching and full history.
Was not much enthusiastic about the engine about 130hp. A 635 gearbox ( not FIA!).
18000€. I think it is a bit expensive.

[uai]

Xavier, if you run Anhang K periode 71 you'll probabaly get rid of those doors anyway.
Most people I know drive periode 71 that means pigcheek car, slicks on 8", with GRP engine lid, trunk lid, doors, doors with plastic glasses, current cage
non-adjustable uprights, non adjustable rear axle, engine with 180 hp is about 10-12k incl. carbs and ignition with drysump add+ 2.5k, if want to go faster add 2-5 k for every 10 hp.
Currently about 260 hp is possible with a 2 valve but fragile and really expensive.
With a 4 Valve M12 you're around 315 hp @65k for the engine (but that's another period causing lots of other costs), Schnitzer is currently doing repops of their 4 valve parts, and somebody in austria already has his schnitzer replica stuff running.
To build a FIA approved 2002ti (clone) racer that is competitive I think you'll have to spend ca. 35-40k + Work. Still you'll just get an engine for that money in a porsche world.
Brakes 1200
Seat (Hans) 1000+500
Cage 1000
Engine 10000
Gearbox 2000-5000 (depending on ratios )
Rear Axle 600-800
LSD 600
Front uprights 1500 (neg. Camber)
Front axle 500-1500 (depending what you do for short ratio steeering add +2k)
Swaybars incl linkage rosejoints (german quality) 800
Dampers 600-800
Wheels 1000
Tires 1000
Base Car (only very little Rust) 6000-8000
GRP doors with windows 2500
Grp hood and lid 700
Fender Kit 800
Rest 5000

[uai]

Well, you probably want to have the ti package, 2002 normale is rather "912" in porsche terms
(Axles, brakes, Power)
Doors are available from BMW and require a bit modification to fit satisfactory.
Cheers
Uli

[Xavier PJB]

Thanks. Appreciate.

[beaker]

I have always enjoyed the 2002. I had this 74 Malaga TII for a while and I am considering restoring a 72 roundie TII in the very near future. I agree with the sentiments out there that these cars will be even more special as the years go by.

[Mudi]

Still have my first car, 1971 2002, with dual DCOEs and 300,000 miles on it. At one time all of my brothers and I had a car each (5). We still have a 1602 racecar that we run a couple of times a year.