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    The Aachen trial is "only" about faked race cars. Here some old info about the main defendant https://www.johnnytipler.co.uk/singl.../scudderia-m66 . Both the other defendants in this case are accused for for processes related to this. There are numerous rumors about the role of the former Porsche employee, who is said to have used, among other things, old company letter paper, parts of the race car archive and even old typewriters in connection with incorrect reports on the counterfeit vehicles. The presumption of innocence always applies until proven otherwise of course.
    Uwe N., the main defendant in the Aachen case, admitted that forged documents were used for some vehicles from his production, which were produced by two employees of a registration authority who were not charged in Aachen. These two people are accused in another case to follow.

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    Thanks again. I’ve read the Tippler article or similar before, in a magazine perhaps as I seem to recall pictures of the building were impressive ?

    The last part is interesting regarding “admitted”

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    BaT currently has a 73rs on auction. One of the documents in their support of this car is a letter from J. Barth on Porsche letterhead. The automobile had a history in Brazil I believe. Should buyers be concerned?

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    Every potential buyer of an RS 2.7 should be concerned with the authenticity. A letter from J. Barth doesn't change this, in a way or another.

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    https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...-rs-touring-3/
    do not see any Brazilian history.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by haul View Post
    https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...-rs-touring-3/
    do not see any Brazilian history.....
    It seems to be the former car of Jean-Claude Bonhomme who is (was?) the president of the Porsche Club RS de France.

    https://porscheclubrsdefrance.com/ca...=view&page_n=2

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    Innocent until proven guilty

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    There was a short video on this particular RS on Road Scholars Instagram but I can't seem to find it now ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by StephenAcworth View Post
    There was a short video on this particular RS on Road Scholars Instagram but I can't seem to find it now ...
    https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...-rs-touring-3/

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    Every potential buyer of an RS 2.7 should be concerned with the authenticity. A letter from J. Barth doesn't change this, in a way or another.

    It would be ideal if a restoration from this era of car documented the production number under the actual dashboard which is written in Crayon. However by now, I'm sure the purveyors of such have learned to fake these too. Entirely too easy.

    This is how an acquaintance (who owned 9113600508) found a re-bodied RS in France in the 80's. A call to a contact at the factory advised him the chassis number he was looking at did not match this number. Oops! That shop was using the parts from a wrecked car to recreate "the" car.

    How many re-bodied cars are out here? FWIW, the factory actually re-bodied an RS into RSR spec back in the 80's which was sold to a Japanese customer in 1988. It's the only one I have a serial number for but to say there were more is a distinct prospect.

    And as far as re-stamped engine pads go, there is a gentleman (who is a concours and authenticity expert) who found one in his customer's RS so they DO exist.
    As long as big money is on the line be very leery of claims unless they can be absolutely verified. Forensic analysis on stampings or perfect provenance. Unrestored cars are unicorns.
    Not being the guy who's seen a lot of these I'll vouch for two seen in person which were original including a 471 car. Don Ahearn bought the other one.
    The 471 was photographed extensively.

    In closing here's a line from a Sports Car Market article on a Big Block Corvette:

    The joke among Corvette enthusiasts is that there are now at least twice the number of “original, numbers-matching” 435-horsepower C2s out there than were originally built.:

    https://www.sportscarmarket.com/prof...35-convertible
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