What weight did the ST Repsol brothers have?

[_gonbau]

According to the attached document, only one of the repsol S / T was light-bodied? How much would the other weigh?




https://newsroom.porsche.com/es_ES/h...psol-9021.html

[HughH]

as explained in the text above the documents My understanding is they were identical twin cars and the error is in the build book - someone forgot to write in "Rallye 930kg" not that there were differences between the cars

[_gonbau]

as explained in the text above the documents My understanding is they were identical twin cars and the error is in the build book - someone forgot to write in "Rallye 930kg" not that there were differences between the cars

Thanks Hughh
So the "ALPINCHE" has a 2.5 ST engine?
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I think I have misunderstood, the mountaineering engine has an R engine from another colleague, nothing to do with these S / T! Is there a graphic document of the VIN 49 or the accident? salds
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[_gonbau]

this image is supposed to be from the 911 S / T accident !! We look at the color scheme, bumper, the black stripe (on the crashed car) is larger than in the images that I have compiled and I also believe that the stripes that run through the car are not the same ... They fell off with the accident ? Am I misjudging the color scheme?


I would attach all the photos that I have been collecting from the repsol through the forum and on the web but I do not want to distort S / T treadh


I have obtained the attached photo of the accident from the following link:
https://www.facebook.com/RallyPrince...type=1&theater

[_gonbau]

Thanks Hughh
So the "ALPINCHE" has a 2.5 ST engine?
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I think I have misunderstood, the mountaineering engine has an R engine from another colleague, nothing to do with these S / T! Is there a graphic document of the VIN 49 or the accident? salds
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I would also like to ask. This vehicle is the one from Eladio's accident. The Rented to Egreteaud. Me, I don't have much ideas about engines... What can be said about this engine that you see?

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ceasing to be correct and asking uncomfortable questions….?Eladio's accident. THE VEHICLE PASSED OVER ONE DAY AFTER THE ACCIDENT. There are three photos that show us how the vehicle looked. The vehicle that belonged to Egreteaud and whose engine was in good condition...was that engine a 2.5 or a 2.2?
Why did the owner of the 51 say that the 49 engine had been removed after the accident if there had never been an accident? Is the owner registered in this forum? Having one of these vehicles, I suppose that he would also have better information than me and any other person.... Why say it? Who was advising him? According to Lencina, the 49 was destroyed in a fire and not in an accident... So... how many 49 existed? Where is your engine? And where is his chassis? The Porsche says that Eladio destroyed it. The museum or whoever plants 51 as the original and only survivor (having various things other than the original 51) and knowing that the stories are wrong. Jurguen participated in the investigation of this car if I remember correctly, something that catches my attention is that he also investigated the previous chassis, the 50.... with x-rays and all the paraphernalia.... And chassis 50 (without reference to the ST) I would like to ask... at that time when the 50 was restored... was a 72 911S or a 72 st replica more profitable?

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I would like someone to record in this post why it is known that the two Repsol brothers were twins. In weight... in motor...! Why is this known? And in what file is this data displayed? Did someone check the file for 49 and see something there that said it was a light vehicle? Yes, in the case of 51. "Rallye" is noted in the "magic" book... and that's where it is known that it is "light"... how do you know this information about 49? Does anyone have access to that file?
**rereading... It is understood that the 51 also had an engine improvement from what is observed in the construction sheet as I explained in previous posts Huhhg

[_gonbau]

things I don't understand... in this video, we can see the 911 with the 911S badge and with the "correct" chrome grille.... Why in other photos is it presented with the black grille and without the badge?


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Is the 911 replica the one we see in this video with the chrome rear grille and two mirrors...?
It is curious because in this vehicle... the anti-roll bars are correctly placed....
the age of disinformation?



attending to this announcement... what we would be seeing in the video... Would it be the "replica" but with a more correct appearance than the "original current vehicle"?....
https://www.rmd.be/getcarpdf.php?c=198


From this image... It should be understood that as the "owner of the vehicle" said, vehicle 51 has the engine of 49. My question is how and why? Where did this engine come from if Lencina says that the vehicle was destroyed in a FIRE?



that unit... disappeared in a fire, as Lencina says. How is the engine located in chassis 51? And where did the original '51 engine go?
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An added fact... when the ST was registered in Spanish traffic, I think I remember it was in 2001. That would coincide with the fact that the owner at that time would be Leon De Cos, who died in 2008.
https://www.soloporsche.com/xf/index...a.3966/page-62
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clarify concepts about the replica and the original... Three exhaust outlets or two? ...According to my perception...The original is the one with "only two" exhaust outlets...But until now I thought that these images that I show were of the original car? So... am I wrong about some things?
https://www.early911sregistry.org/fo...ghlight=repsol

[_gonbau]

If this is the original vehicle... why does the clone have more exact details? "Correct" roll bar "Correct chrome"? And if this were the original vehicle... What we were shown in the video of "Stelvio" "two mirrors" would be the replica even if it has a more correct appearance?

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bnv5nd5Du_N/

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the correct vehicle...had the correct chrome rear grille...and when the report was made for the porsche...is it black/incorrect?

I'm green looking at the replica so I may be getting confused on the identification.... In the Porsche article... What is the REAL 1151 vehicle? The one with the 3 exhaust outlets? If this were so... Why put the chrome grille on the clone and not leave the correct one on the correct vehicle? What am I missing?

"The Z stands for Zollkennzeichen.

Great story as always about Repsol, but this time you fall short, you don't go into much detail about them or about the 2.3 ST.


First that they were not 2.2 liters, that was the base, the new 2.2 engine of the 911.


The type 911/02 engine was upgraded to 2.3 liters with a high R/C, racing pistons, competition crankshaft, Carrera 6 shafts (906), 46 Weber carburettors with magnesium trumpets and a Magnetti Marelli double ignition.
In addition to countless exotic materials to lighten the body and roof panels were of a smaller gauge of steel, finer.
You could choose them with a narrow or wide M491 body, which is what Repsol did.


A masterpiece that could stay at 840 kg for 230 hp. from 1969/70! And with an exorbitant price to match...
Ben Heiderich (who you do not name either) as a semi-official Porsche importer (Madrid/Marbella) was in charge of negotiating directly with Porsche motorsport, there were very few 2.3s available as you mention, barely twenty (21/23) were only for racing teams. competition and special clients, apart from the official Werks like the one from Larrousse that took the Tour de France as one of the great victories of the 2.3.


The fact is that powerful gentleman is gift money, Ben told them that they did not want one but two! And he put the 8 million pesetas in cash on the table for Porsche, we already know that when they see a lot of bills their eyes widen and they approved it, it was no small feat, with 8 million in 1969/70 you could buy several new flats in the center of Madrid or Barcelona.


Greetings."
https://www.soloporsche.com/xf/index...a.3966/page-62

I would like to ask. I made the change to DM from pesetas and I think it is a figure that could be worth two ST 100%?
This would be a good comparison "invoice"?

A vehicle with the inflation of two years (example of 72)... It would cost 33DM more or less... we could multiply this number by two... It would give us around 70,000DM.

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"At the end of the summer of that year, Ben Heiderich takes a plane, goes to the Porsche factory in Germany and meets with the general director of sales to whom he expresses his desire to be the company's importer in Spain. The Porsche importer in that moment in our country is a very strong group economically, Seida, but Ben wants to be helped, he knows that he is small, but he also exposes to his interlocutor a dynamism and a desire to work that are taken into account and the Porsche import for Spain it changes hands, Heiderich is the new importer; representation granted, according to him, out of sympathy more than anything. Be that as it may, Ben Heiderich has just obtained his first import license, and from Porsche no less."
https://www.pieldetoro.net/web/brico...hp?brico_id=73

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According to this article, the eight million budget was distributed as follows: 1,050,000 each Porsche and two trailers that cost 160,000pts. Where is the missing money? And what trailers are we talking about?


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https://www.4legend.com/2018/luftgek...ur-un-rooftop/
"Son propriétaire, Nikolas Knoll, possède deux Porsche 911 ST 2.3 Repsol, l’originale et une copie. L’originale se reconnaît de l’avant aux quatre projecteurs Cibie et l’absence de crochet de remorquage. A l’arrière, les deux 911 ST 2.3 sont quasiment identiques sauf au niveau de l’échappement : l’original est équipé d’une troisième sortie d’échappement."

[_gonbau]

as explained in the text above the documents My understanding is they were identical twin cars and the error is in the build book - someone forgot to write in "Rallye 930kg" not that there were differences between the cars

in which document can you see this? I have the documents that the previous seller showed, the kardex and the sheet, but is there any document from Porsche with which we can ensure that these vehicles came with large engines and lowered weight? Official document? Or are they just shown?

[HughH]

the extract you showed in post #1 was from the build book - showing vin numbers 9110301148 through to 9110301151. Hand written against 1149 is Rallye 930kg - for the lightened shells. The other car (1151) is supposed to be identical but someone forgot to write that into the build book - not unusual that there is something left out in these documents

Then there is a kardex for 1151 as well as an extract from its build sheet. the handwriting on the kardex in the top RH corner signifies that it has had the engine spec enhanced at werk1 before delivery - as most if not all proper st's did. This is also shown in the build sheet just under the "CO1 EUROPA LL in handwriting where the name and number of the work order dated 22.1.70 that specifies the extra engine modification bits for the ST's which these and other ST build sheets have on them

[_gonbau]

the extract you showed in post #1 was from the build book - showing vin numbers 9110301148 through to 9110301151. Hand written against 1149 is Rallye 930kg - for the lightened shells. The other car (1151) is supposed to be identical but someone forgot to write that into the build book - not unusual that there is something left out in these documents

Then there is a kardex for 1151 as well as an extract from its build sheet. the handwriting on the kardex in the top RH corner signifies that it has had the engine spec enhanced at werk1 before delivery - as most if not all proper st's did. This is also shown in the build sheet just under the "CO1 EUROPA LL in handwriting where the name and number of the work order dated 22.1.70 that specifies the extra engine modification bits for the ST's which these and other ST build sheets have on them

Thanks, as always it is a pleasure that you detail this type of information! Does the kardex of 49 exist? It must exist in the registry? Someday we will see it ... Regarding the accident of Eladio and the ST, I have nothing left to say what I think.
S / T 49 may still exist.
Anyone have any ideas or rumors why the cars don't match?
Are we clear about the following facts?
Eladio had the accident in oviedo in '72 with an S / T? That is what the Porsche says in its articles where they talk about these vehicles. I am missing something that I am not able to understand.