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    The Ultimate 1969 Soft Window Targa (SWT) Thread

    Ultimate... yea, right!
    We all know very few topics Porsche related are easily defined, boxed, and understood, even with decades of hindsight. In fact, sometimes the more time that passes the harder it is to get definitive answers.

    One of these interesting topics that comes up for discussion around here is SWT availability and actual inclusion on long wheel base (LWB) cars. Here are a couple good threads that touch on the topic.

    The first is a "roll call" started by Rick (LongRanger) that attempts to document via registry archive mining some accounts of these cars.
    http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...-%91S%92-Targa

    The second is a fairly recent one where a simple question was posed by Jules and folks began to weigh in on the availability of the option and how period Porsche literature chose to document SWT availability.
    http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...targa-question

    1969 is one of those interesting years where the cars began to incorporate significant changes related to the transition from SWB to LWB as well as increasing oversight from regulations related to safety and the environment. The latter did not just happen at Porsche as the entire industry was making this transition. The SWT seems to be a perfect example of an option that may have been impacted significantly by the changing world in the automotive industry. Safety concerns, export market requirements dictating availability, feasibility of the option in general due to customer satisfaction, etc.

    What is also interesting is that Porsche record keeping seems to have made a change in the Fall of 1968, according to kardexes from that era. Interior option codes changed in November 1968, and some aspects of the cars began to show up on the kardexes right around then. One of those is option 9356, W.HECKSC for ROW or S-R WIND for the US market. Note this code is not a US market only code as it is used across cars for all markets.

    Another option code, 9316, PERSENNG, which I believe is the tonneau cover for the now exposed rear window area of an unzipped/removed soft window, shows up sporadically throughout the documentation. So it wasn't an automatic that every SWT had the tonneau cover noted. This doesn't necessarily mean the car didn't come with one, it just doesn't show up on the kardex. It has also been said that 9316 may have been an early option code for the SWT itself, but I am not so sure on this interpretation being correct.

    Also worth noting is that around ~119310180, the records clearly begin to delineate SWT vs HWT (9354/9355). So something happened at the factory that started the specific call out of which rear window was to be in each car. Again, the record keeping was changing.

    What follows are results of a fairly exhaustive effort of Kardex searching for the 9356 option. This list (for now at least) also includes SWT cars that do not have the option code on their respective kardexes (or is that kardices? ). This is important and interesting for a couple reasons:
    1. We all know factory records are spotty at best and the kardex was more for warranty work than being a "build sheet". So there are bound to be a few errors out there.
    2. Many of the cars thought to be original SWTs but that are not documented as such on the kardex just so happen to have been built in the autumn of 68 when the aforementioned records began to change.

    At any rate, I hope this thread proves useful. I like to think of the registry as a true reference tool whenever possible.

    And finally thanks to those that helped out with this effort. This was a community driven thread. I am happy to name names but they know who they are and can chime in at will.
    Last edited by beh911; 09-26-2014 at 02:16 AM. Reason: additional info, clarity
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    1969 911S Soft Window Targa (SWT) list

    Currently at 29 kardex verified SWTs, plus ~10 non-kardexed SWT

    As you can see, the German home market was a huge consumer of these cars. Many of them were extremely well equipped in unusual colors, often with ski racks, optional lighting, sport seats, special transmissions, etc. I included a few details to give an idea of the variety. A veritable cornucopia of beautiful cars from colors to options appointed.

    I may drop a few of the "N" cars after further research. Consider them placeholders at this point.

    So just from a factory records standpoint (talkin' kardex here), roughly 1 out of every 20 69S Targas was a SWT...

    Data format:
    VIN | Kardex confirmed (Y/N) | Market | Color | Miscellaneous Notes/noteworthy options

    119310096 N USA Signal Red 99xx - Oct 68 build
    119310107 Y USA Black - 6838 *Registry member car
    119310108 N Germany Tangerine no option code for rear window or tonneau cover
    119310109 N Italy Tangerine zero options
    119310110 N Germany Tangerine *Registry member car; Oct 68 build
    119310113 N France Tangerine no option code for rear window or tonneau cover
    119310132 N USA Polo Red *Registry member car; MA delivered
    119310168 N Germany Tangerine no option code for rear window or tonneau cover; 100l tank
    119310176 N USA Irish Green *Registry member car; late Nov 68 build
    119310178 Y Italy Tangerine Sport Seats L+R - brown leatherette/cord inserts

    119310206 Y USA Silver Metallic - 6851 9316 tonneau cover; Nurburgring gears 9041; Sport Seats L+R - red; heavily optioned
    119310212 Y Switzerland Polo Red Sport Seats L+R - black leatherette
    119310217 Y France Tangerine 100l tank; Dunlop tires
    119310230 Y Germany Polo Red 9316 tonneau cover; heavily optioned; passenger side mirror, elec. Ant
    119310231 Y UK Polo Red RHD; 9316 tonneau cover; special trans 9046; brown interior
    119310271 Y Germany Blue Metallic - 6853 tow hook
    119310274 Y Germany Signal Yellow - 6861 9316 tonneau cover; heavily optioned
    119310278 Y Germany Tangerine special trans 9046
    119310279 Y Germany Tangerine heavily optioned; special trans 9046
    119310299 Y Germany Silver Metallic - 6851 FULL black leather interior 9291 + Sport Seats
    119310351 Y Germany Blue Metallic - 6853 heavily optioned; 9316 tonneau cover
    119310367 Y Italy Light Ivory no options
    119310404 Y USA Medium Ivory - 6821 9316 tonneau cover
    119310411 Y Germany Light Ivory heavily optioned
    119310412 Y Germany Blue Metallic - 6853 heavily optioned
    119310422 Y Germany Light Ivory heavily optioned; 9316 tonneau cover
    119310429 Y Germany Turquoise Green - 6831 Sports seat driver only
    119310430 Y Germany Canary Yellow - 6824 heavily optioned
    119310463 Y Germany Polo Red Black leather; TTG Driving lights, tow hook
    119310468 Y France Silver Metallic - 6851 Dunlop tires & 9115 shocks
    119310481 Y USA Irish Green 9316 tonneau cover; muffler skirt; wheel arch trim; elec ant.
    119310487 Y Italy Light Ivory *known car on S Registry; Full luggage set; special headrests
    119310504 Y USA Signal Yellow - 6823 black leather; LSD, black side script
    119310522 Y Germany Light Ivory Sport seat L; 100l tank; Dunlop tires
    119310563 Y Germany Light Ivory black leather; special headrests
    119310592 Y Germany Tangerine TTG Driving lights, Sport Seats L+R, Dunlop tires
    119310605 Y Belgium Aga Blue - 6861 Hella 169 white fog lights; Beige leather
    Last edited by beh911; 09-26-2014 at 02:18 AM.
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    In talking with Eric Linden today I was surprised to learn that our 1969 911S Soft Window Targa is not know by many in the club. It was bought by my father in-law (Hal Yeager)on 10/6/1969 and is #119310206 shown above. My wife and I inherited the car after Hal's passing. It is heavily optioned and in show condition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mounger View Post
    In talking with Eric Linden today I was surprised to learn that our 1969 911S Soft Window Targa is not know by many in the club. It was bought by my father in-law (Hal Yeager)on 10/6/1969 and is #119310206 shown above. My wife and I inherited the car after Hal's passing. It is heavily optioned and in show condition.
    Mounger,
    Welcome as well. That car was a Christmas tree in unusual options. Pictures are in order!
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    Mounger . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by Mounger View Post
    . . . In talking with Eric Linden today I was surprised to learn that our 1969 911S Soft Window Targa is not know by many in the club. It was bought by my father in-law (Hal Yeager)on 10/6/1969 and is #119310206 shown above . . .
    . . . another thread . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by LongRanger View Post
    . . . Glen Mounger '. . . was the Chairman of The Pebble Beach Concours (1999-2005) . . .'

    Zero details --- not even a color. Was on the board 5 years ago, for about a month . . . just long enough to ask about 'how many' then? --- pfft!
    http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...46035-How-many


    UPDATE: More here . . . see post #24
    http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...ow-Targa/page3

    Looks like this one's silver

    VIN = 119310203
    Eng# = 6390725
    Trans# = ? . . .
    Same Mounger?
    Last edited by LongRanger; 01-23-2015 at 06:02 PM.

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    Yes I'm the same Glenn Mounger and I really haven't been active in this group. When I posted my question years ago I never heard back. The car is sliver with red sport seats and fully optioned, it was my father in-laws pride and joy and when he passed away we got the car. We've taken on a few rally's and local area shows. I never thought there was much interest in it from the club so I haven't talked about it much.

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    If someone can tell me to post a photo I would. My father in-law bought the car Oct 6, 1969. I have the file on the car in my office and I can answer more questions later.

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    My 69 softie.
    Paint to sample.
    It's a 912 though. Probably rarer than a 911.
    Does it still count ?
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    1962 356 S Cab gone
    1967 911S Coupe
    2008 RS60 Boxster gone
    1973.5 911T targa soft window Gone
    Runge 008 Gone
    2002 996 TT x-50 Gone
    2016 Boxster GTS pts gulf orange
    1969 912 SWT pts green

    Can I be FRANK with you ?

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    Curses !
    Flippy, floppy.
    1962 356 S Cab gone
    1967 911S Coupe
    2008 RS60 Boxster gone
    1973.5 911T targa soft window Gone
    Runge 008 Gone
    2002 996 TT x-50 Gone
    2016 Boxster GTS pts gulf orange
    1969 912 SWT pts green

    Can I be FRANK with you ?

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    Curses !
    Flippy, floppy.
    All set!…….
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