Reference: 380MM steering wheels - THE TRUTH

There is much confusion, deception, out and out lies, myths and misinformation about 380MM steering wheels.
I will attempt to solve some of them.
First of all, not all 380mm wheels are alike and most of them are not appropriate for a 911 or 912 but they will fit, sort of.
The only true "380mm Carrera RS" wheels come from 70 and 71 914s. 914/4s and 914/6s use the same wheel in 70 and 71. 70 and 71 914/4s have a bunch of plastic on the back of the wheel to adapt it to the 914/4 steering column and turn signal switch. 914/6s use the same parts as a 911 on the back of the wheel.

The first picture is the back side of a 72 or later 914/4 steering wheel.
The next picture is the back side of a 70/71 914 steering wheel with the plastic junk removed.
The next picture is of a 72 or later 914 steering wheel with the plastic removed.

Do you notice any differences?
They are significant!
The splines are the same and both will fit on a 911 steering shaft. The later 914 wheel could possibly suffer if the wheel nut gets over tightened, though. Not a problem with the early 914 wheel.

Ciao

Jim

I thought it was already clarified for good ...

http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...Wheel-stand-up

Part 2

Now, lets examine the back side of the hub where the horn canceler goes. Notice that the surface is perfectly flat around the edge of the late 914 wheel and is raised on the 70/71 wheel. Now look what happens when you attach the horn canceler. Yes, it sticks out on the late wheel and fits perfectly on the early wheel. Also, when attaching the horn canceler to the late wheel, one must drill new holes and then countersink them. They are already there on the early wheel.

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I thought it was already clarified for good ...

http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...Wheel-stand-up

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There still seems to be some confusion and I may be just adding to that. That thread has some very good info but you have to read page after page to get it.
You can bear with me or just not read my drivel.

Regards

Jim

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Originally Posted by Jim Breazeale

There still seems to be some confusion and I may be just adding to that. That thread has some very good info but you have to read page after page to get it.
You can bear with me or just not read my drivel.

Regards

Jim

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More info and awareness is always good ;)

Jim,
You seem to have answered some of my questions in a couple of posts. I have read many threads regarding this topic and some of them just don't go anywhere. These pics and your explanation are concise and to the point. Thanks!

The front side of 914 steering wheels. If it has a countersunk area around the splines, it is a late wheel and came from a 72 or later 914/4 no matter what the seller says! You can not hide the counter sunk area in a picture. The "good 914/4 wheels are flat on the front.

The first version of the counter sunk wheels has sharp edges and does have a lip around where the turn signal canceler goes, much like the early 914 wheels and all 911 wheels.
The later versions have beveled edges and are flat on the back.

Part numbers on 914 wheels

914 347 805 10................... Leather covered, rubber rimmed steering wheel 70/71 914/4 and 914/6 and physically the same as 73 Carrera RSs. (The best choice for 911s) These are the ones
that are flat on the front.
914 347 806 10...................Consensus choice as the correct 73 Carrera RS 380MM steering wheel
914 347 803 10................... Plastic rimmed 70/71 914/4 steering wheel (You can cover these in leather and they work just fine. Double wrap them and they are even better)
914 347 805 11....................Leather covered 72 914/4 steering wheel (with 90 degree counter sink) Not the best choice but they do work better than the later 914/4 wheels with the
beveled counter sink.
914 347 804 11....................Plastic rimmed late 914/4 wheel
914 347 809 00....................74 and later 914/4 "simulated leather" wheels. These things are junk!

Bottom line.........................If it is flat on the front it is best and if it is beveled it will work but not great

Regards

Jim

Jim

How about this one stamped 10-69?

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Jim

How about this one stamped 10-69?

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A genuine 1970 914/6 leather covered steering wheel?

Thanks for the picture.
I would welcome any additions to my post.
Now, please tell me what it is.

Regards

Jim

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A genuine 1970 914/6 leather covered steering wheel?

Thanks for the picture.
I would welcome any additions to my post.
Now, please tell me what it is.

Regards

Jim

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I was hoping you would know... Bought it from Don at Porsport a few years back.

803.10 is the core for an ST/RSR/914-6GT "Thick Grip" wheel (often called double-wrap)

Here are some pics of my original RSR wheel (Thanks to Ron at Aase Sales)

Notice that it was a hard plastic wheel, covered in black felt and then a thin cover of cotton before the leather was applied.

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803.10 is the core for an ST/RSR/914-6GT "Thick Grip" wheel (often called double-wrap)

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Cool! Lets keep adding to this thread.

Ciao

Jim

Couple of pics more... I removed the cancel ring.

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Couple of pics more... I removed the cancel ring.

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Please post a picture of the rim and maybe one of the whole wheel

Dumb question, but is it possible to drill the rivets and remove the hub from a later wheel to install an earlier hub that will bolt on to an early 911 without modification? I ask because I've purchased a nice leather wrapped 380mm wheel but it turned out to be a later version. I listed it for sale here in case somebody else might be able to use it as is but I'd really like to keep it and install it in my car. I wanted it to fit correctly however and I'm thinking a hub swap would be the only way it might. Does anybody know if this project is possible?

While on these wheels, any idea where to find a 911 extended hub? It appears they are pretty hard to find unless somebody here has a stash of them laying around. I don't think anybody produces an after market one that looks factory.

Stretch

Hi Stretch.
First, yes it is possible to replace the hub.
Second, our own Cornpanzer has previously produced a reproduction of the extended hub. An old thread can be found here:
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...ers-(May-2011)

OR.. you can buy a fully assembled extended hub 380mm wheel from Zuffenhaus.
https://www.zuffenhaus.us/cgi-bin/co...action&key=103

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Dumb question, but is it possible to drill the rivets and remove the hub from a later wheel to install an earlier hub that will bolt on to an early 911 without modification? I ask because I've purchased a nice leather wrapped 380mm wheel but it turned out to be a later version. I listed it for sale here in case somebody else might be able to use it as is but I'd really like to keep it and install it in my car. I wanted it to fit correctly however and I'm thinking a hub swap would be the only way it might. Does anybody know if this project is possible?

While on these wheels, any idea where to find a 911 extended hub? It appears they are pretty hard to find unless somebody here has a stash of them laying around. I don't think anybody produces an after market one that looks factory.

Stretch

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Stretch

I think you would be better off selling your wheel and looking for a proper 380MM wheel to restore. Just my opinion and you know what those are worth.
Extended hub wheel? Do you mean one like this? Those are very rare and I don't have a clue where you would find one.

Regards

Jim

I looked at the Zuffenhaus wheels and they're pretty nice. I've also seen Cornpanzer's hub extension but unfortunately they are NLA at this point. My real problem is I paid a fair amount for the wheel I've got thinking it was what I needed and I'm pretty sure I won't get my money back out of it. Because of this I thought I'd try and use it if possible. Ill probably just buy the Zuffenhaus wheel and do what I can to sell the one I've got. Its listed here in the for sale section but does anybody know what it's actually worth so I can sell it? Sorry to hijack the thread but thanks for the help,

Stretch

The recent surplus of 914 steering wheels appearing in the classifieds that have been "modified" and are a "direct bolt-on" has added to the confusion.

Stretch, just a FYI, Zuffenhaus has an extended hub option in case you did not know.

Two more photos taken on the fly...

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Interesting leather Stefan.
I've never seen an original leather covering with that grain. Usually (in my limited experience), they are much more fine grain/smooth.
Has anyone else seen a verified original wheel with the course grain shown above?

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Interesting leather Stefan.
I've never seen an original leather covering with that grain. Usually (in my limited experience), they are much more fine grain/smooth.
Has anyone else seen a verified original wheel with the course grain shown above?

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It's not the original leather.

It was redone prior to my purchasing it 3+ years ago. I was told at the time it was done by Tony at Autobahn...

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Jim

How about this one stamped 10-69?

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I, now know that it is a hard plastic 70/71 914/4 steering wheel, thanks to Cornpanzer. It will work beautifully on a 911.

I, also have to make an admission that I assumed the number for a hard plastic 70/71 914/4 steering wheel would be 914 347 804 10. I made that assumption because it is the one wheel that I don't have in my stash. The actual number is 914 347 803 10. I am going to amend my post about stamped numbers. Sorry for any confusion. It is the only assumption (not substantiated by having the part in my hand) that I have made. I should know better!

Regards

Jim

Jim, 803.10 is the hard plastic base for an RSR/GT/ST wheel. Not just ANY hard plastic wheel.

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Jim, 803.10 is the hard plastic base for an RSR/GT/ST wheel. Not just ANY hard plastic wheel.

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I may have to frame mine and hang it on the wall... Cheers :D

Gent,
When I was stationed in Germany, around 2005-6 I looked and found a 380mm leather steering wheel for my 1970 911T. I had it recovered from a retire German that used to do it for a living in some factory years back. I stored it, moved back to Maryland and finally installed it in 2011. Here are some photos, so what do I have?

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You have a very nice 70/71 914/6 380mm steering wheel. It has a hard rubber grip that was always meant to be covered in leather. Your wheel could have come from a 70/71 914/4, as well. Who cares, though. It is physically the same wheel as 914 347 806 10 used in 73 Carrera RSs.

Great thread.....Can anyone tell me if 901 347 081 00 dated 1970 will fit a 68? I am guessing this is a 911 wheel and not 914, but I am not certain...tks, Craig

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Great thread.....Can anyone tell me if 901 347 081 00 dated 1970 will fit a 68? I am guessing this is a 911 wheel and not 914, but I am not certain...tks, Craig

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Yes, it will

Perfect...Thanks Jim

Jim, Great info. I didn't have all the steering wheel detail knowledge that I needed. However, PET is confusing me. In the Euro section they list only one part # for the 73 911 RS. 911 347 084 00.Leather covered 380 mm wheel. Your thoughts?

More PET confusion. Part # 914 347 805 11 is listed as a wheel for a 72 and up 914/6. (I didn't know they made the 6 in 1972) Underneath, they list the same part # for a 72 and up 914/4 with leather.

The 72 914/6 used the VW steering column with the key on the right. Gled

I have info on 3 steering wheels that are original including covering that I documented carefully. 1. 914 347 806 10, 74mm grip circumference, original to my 914/6 in mid 70's. 2. 914 347 805 11, 86mm grip, new in box with 72--> VW hub. 3. 914 347 086 10, 91mm grip. This wheel I called a RSR wheel, it has a very soft thick grip and the covering was very smooth and glossy. Gled

Good Info Gorden

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I have info on 3 steering wheels that are original including covering that I documented carefully. 1. 914 347 806 10, 74mm grip circumference, original to my 914/6 in mid 70's. 2. 914 347 805 11, 86mm grip, new in box with 72--> VW hub. 3. 914 347 086 10, 91mm grip. This wheel I called a RSR wheel, it has a very soft thick grip and the covering was very smooth and glossy. Gled

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One of the keys to determine whether a wheel has a hub that is compatable with a 911 column is the last 2 digits of the stamped number on the hub. If it ends with 11 is is 914/4, if it ends with 10 it uses a 911 hub no matter what it came from.

Regards

Jim
PS: Never knew a 916 used a 914/4 column, very interesting.

Don't know about 916 but 72 914/6 did use VW column. Can someone confirm the number of 6's built in 72, I don't think it was very many. I will try to find info later. Gled

The 914 347 086 10 wheel with the fat grip is a completely different number sequence from what we have been talking about. What is its story?

mike

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I have info on 3 steering wheels that are original including covering that I documented carefully. 1. 914 347 806 10, 74mm grip circumference, original to my 914/6 in mid 70's. 2. 914 347 805 11, 86mm grip, new in box with 72--> VW hub. 3. 914 347 086 10, 91mm grip. This wheel I called a RSR wheel, it has a very soft thick grip and the covering was very smooth and glossy. Gled

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The 72 914/6 used the VW steering column with the key on the right. Gled

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I never have heard of a 72 914/6. What have I missed?

Regards

Jim

I was surprised as well, but according to http://www.porsche914.org/years.html

914-6 Production			914-4 Production
1970	2,668		1970	13,312
1971	443		1971	16, 231
1972	260		1972	21,580
Total	3,371		Total	34,892

and from www.914world.com

914 Production Numbers

Type	1969	1970	1971	1972	1973	974	1975	Total
914/8	2	-	-	-	-	-	-	2
914/6	29	2760	306	237	-	-	1	3333
916	-	-	-	11	-	-	-	11
914/4 - 1.7L	1543	20241	15993	19713	7861	-	-	65351
914/4 - 1.8L	-	-	-	-	3903	11415	2455	17773
914/4 - 2.0L	-	-	-	4817	16639	5597	5469	32522
Total	1574	23001	16299	24778	28403	17012	7925	118992

Interesting to see 914/8 and the 916 in the list.

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I was surprised as well, but according to http://www.porsche914.org/years.html


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Interesting to see 914/8 and the 916 in the list.

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Jeff

The two lists don't have the same numbers. Who is one supposed to believe?
72 914/6s must have been made. After all, it says so on the internet.

Regards

Jim

72 914-6s were not officially sold in the US. many seem to have received 2.4 motors.

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72 914-6s were not officially sold in the US. many seem to have received 2.4 motors.

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This is something that I don't believe for a second. Porsche deliberately used only the 2.0 6 cylinder 911T motors on the 914/6 between 70/71 in order for the 914/6 not to be directly competitive with the 70-71 911T models fitted with the 2,2 motors at the time. If the 914/6 were built in 1972, it would only have been fitted with a 2,2T motor, not a 2,4.

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. . . 72 914-6s were not officially sold in the US . . .

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Hmmm . . . dunno about that. Super-rare car, though. Never seen one

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Hmmm --- well-no . . .

. . . unless you're talking about the 11-or-so 916s that got made . . . ;)


1972 916 specifications

VIN = 9142330011 - 0020
Eng type = 901.38, no eng#s listed
Bore = 84 mm, stroke = 70 mm
Displacement = 2341 cc
Comp = 8.5:1 torque = 159 lb/ft@5200 HP = 190@6500

VIN = 9141430195 (prototype)
Eng type = 911.86, no eng#s listed
Bore 90 mm, stroke = 70 mm
Displacement = 2687 cc
Comp = 8.5:1 torque = 188 lb/ft@5200 HP = 210@6300

http://www.p914.com/p914_engine.htm

I beg to disagree on the RS wheel

I have owned 2, both very original, one still had the plastic horn butterfly intact, both had 914 347 806 10 wheels as per the factory 73 parts manuals NOT 805 10 a stated
by Jim.

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Part numbers on 914 wheels

914 347 805 10................... Leather covered, rubber rimmed steering wheel 70/71 914/4 and 914/6 and (apparently) 73 Carrera RSs. (The best choice for 911s) These are the ones
that are flat on the front.
914 347 803 10................... Plastic rimmed 70/71 914/4 steering wheel (You can cover these in leather and they work just fine. Double wrap them and they are even better)
914 347 805 11....................Leather covered 72 914/4 steering wheel (with 90 degree counter sink) Not the best choice but they do work better than the later 914/4 wheels with the
beveled counter sink.
914 347 804 11....................Plastic rimmed late 914/4 wheel
914 347 809 00....................74 and later 914/4 "simulated leather" wheels. These things are junk!

Bottom line.........................If it is flat on the front it is best and if it is beveled it will work but not great

Regards

Jim

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I beg to disagree on the RS wheel Jim

I have owned 2, both very original cars, one still had the plastic horn butterfly intact, both had 914 347 806 10 wheels as per the factory 73 parts manuals NOT 805 10 as stated in your list.

Mine is also 806.10 with a plastic horn button.

Brian and Clyde

Thanks for your additions. I am sure both of you are correct. My info came from examples that I had in my inventory. I have every reason to believe that the "806.10" version is a correct wheel for a RS. I doubt that there is much difference, if any, between the 805 and 806 versions, though.

Regards

Jim
PS: We have been successful in raising awareness about 380MM wheels and that was my original intent.

Another wheel . . .
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...stearing-wheel

. . . 400 mm (?) --- + 'thick grip'(?)

PN = 901 347 081 10

Note 'date' stamp

Nice looking wheel. I'm sure it feels good while driving.

" . . 400 mm (?) --- + 'thick grip'(?)"

There was a subsequent discussion on that same 400mm thick grip wheel here: http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...-with-fat-grip.

Some of that thread's discussion centered around the full cross-stitching (as opposed to typical factory "baseball" stitching) where the leather met the spokes. But an interesting last comment from an RS owner who has two RSR wheels said both his steering wheels were indeed cross-stitched throughout - no baseball stitching. Who knows? Regardless, a very interesting thick grip wheel in a larger diameter.

Another thread --- w/some part numbers . . .
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...914-347-803-10

6 pages of post info condensed to one - please make any corrections/additions that improve this condensation - thanks


ST/R/RS/RSR & 914 STEERING WHEELS
914 347 803 10: 70/71 914-4 plastic base for original ST/R/RS/RSR
914 347 804 10: early 4s, flat hub/sunk hub
914 347 804 11: late 4s, sunk hub/flat back – plastic rim
914 347 805 10: early 4s & 6s, leather, flat hub/recessed back (best)
914 347 805 11: ’72 914-4 w/ 90 degree sunk hub/flat back 86mm grip 914-4
914 347 806 10: Leather -6 Original RS wheel w/ 72mm grip
914 347 806 11: 91mm grip
914 347 088 10: very early VW/Porsche leather wheel
914 347 809 00: ‘74 914s, sunk hub/ faux leather

901 347 081 10: extremely rare 400mm thick grip leather all cross-stitch

One of the keys to determine whether a wheel has a hub that is compatible with a 911 column is the last 2 digits of the stamped number on the hub. If it ends with 11 is 914/4, if it ends with 10 it uses a 911 hub no matter what it came from.

Is there any reference to part # 901.347.081.20? Wheel is dated 1972 and is leather wrapped.

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Is there any reference to part # 901.347.081.20? Wheel is dated 1972 and is leather wrapped.

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Remember that this thread is about 380mm wheels not 400mm wheels.

Regards

Jim

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Part numbers on 914 wheels

914 347 805 10................... Leather covered, rubber rimmed steering wheel 70/71 914/4 and 914/6 and (apparently) 73 Carrera RSs. (The best choice for 911s) These are the ones
that are flat on the front.
914 347 803 10................... Plastic rimmed 70/71 914/4 steering wheel (You can cover these in leather and they work just fine. Double wrap them and they are even better)
914 347 805 11....................Leather covered 72 914/4 steering wheel (with 90 degree counter sink) Not the best choice but they do work better than the later 914/4 wheels with the
beveled counter sink.
914 347 804 11....................Plastic rimmed late 914/4 wheel
914 347 809 00....................74 and later 914/4 "simulated leather" wheels. These things are junk!

Bottom line.........................If it is flat on the front it is best and if it is beveled it will work but not great

Regards

Jim

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COMPLIMENTS to Jim for the perfect and qualified report ! ;)

THANKS to all who contributed to this thread. I now realize that my hidden away "Factory RS" steering wheel is from a '72 914 [913 437 805 11 -- 6/72]. This one is leather wrapped and appears to have been that way forever. Does anyone know if all of this version were leather covered?
JR
Back then the first thing I did with my RSs was yank the steering wheel and stick a Prototype on! :p

I'm not really an expert in this field but it seems like some of you guys are --
I found a decent selection of Porsche steering wheels, wooden, in an auction (to be held in about a week).
It is stated in their online catalogue that they should fit for 911 models, and they are quite rare. I'm thinking about passing a prebid of 4000 Euros on one of the wooden steering wheels - do you guys think it might be too low?
I've never bought on an auction, if you can judge it better it's on Automobilia Auktion's homepage (click on Onlinekatalog - search for "Porsche Lenkrad", the one with 2900 Limit-price),

thanks for any help!

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I'm not really an expert in this field but it seems like some of you guys are --
I found a decent selection of Porsche steering wheels, wooden, in an auction (to be held in about a week).
It is stated in their online catalogue that they should fit for 911 models, and they are quite rare. I'm thinking about passing a prebid of 4000 Euros on one of the wooden steering wheels - do you guys think it might be too low?
I've never bought on an auction, if you can judge it better it's on Automobilia Auktion's homepage (click on Onlinekatalog - search for "Porsche Lenkrad", the one with 2900 Limit-price),

thanks for any help!

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You must be one of a few choices.
1. An Auction House shill.
2. A clever, disgruntled Ex Porsche owner.
3. A moron
4. A combination of any of the above.

There does that help?

Warmest Regards

Jim

Jim, classic..... talk soon. J.

Does anyone have info on this wheel? It's 380mm with a leather covered rubber ring.

I haven't seen a wheel with that number on it. It does appear to be a proper hub for a 911 conversion, though. The VW stamp puzzles me.

Regards

Jim

One reference...

http://forums.early911sregistry.org/...ion-Help-Me-ID

One other...

http://www.914world.com/bbs2/index.p...&#entry1481875

I found a second one in my stash so I know it's not a "one off" or made up wheel.

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I haven't seen a wheel with that number on it. It does appear to be a proper hub for a 911 conversion, though. The VW stamp puzzles me.

Regards

Jim

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I read this and the other posts on 380mm wheels and could not find my wheel, although mepstein's is the closest...any idea's on what I have here? The number is:
914 347 087 10, date stamped 9/69 and is a 380mm wheel.


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I've seen a couple now on early 914's. 087 - plastic, 088 - leather. '69 date codes.

...this would be a 914-6 or RS wheel. Can you guys confirm for me? Excellent leather, horn button etc. I don't want to post it till I can verify it is what it is. Also hard to dictate a price as there are a lot of wannabe wheels claiming to be what they are not, at elevated prices.
Jim, weigh in, but be kind.

Speedo

ITs a 914-6 wheel but, that batwing was NEVER original to that wheel in 1970 unless there is some archaic 914 accessory that I am unaware of.;)


The batwing is SWB 911/912

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ITs a 914-6 wheel but, that batwing was NEVER original to that wheel in 1970 unless there is some archaic 914 accessory that I am unaware of.;)


The batwing is SWB 911/912

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Hi Michael,

Some forums (and, yes, FB, have a "like" button and now even "love" and "sad" and more) ! Anyway, I "like" your post !

-Allen-
PS You have to drop by and see my '58 Coupe Michael!

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...this would be a 914-6 or RS wheel. Can you guys confirm for me? Excellent leather, horn button etc. I don't want to post it till I can verify it is what it is. Also hard to dictate a price as there are a lot of wannabe wheels claiming to be what they are not, at elevated prices.
Jim, weigh in, but be kind.

Speedo

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Kudos for wanting to properly describe the wheel.
It would be an excellent wheel for either a RS, 914/6 or any other 73 and earlier 911 or 912. The horn button should be sold separately, even though, I kind of like the look.

Regards

Jim

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Kudos for wanting to properly describe the wheel.
It would be an excellent wheel for either a RS, 914/6 or any other 73 and earlier 911 or 912. The horn button should be sold separately, even though, I kind of like the look.

Regards

Jim

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Thanks guys. My fault with the early horn button. I like the early horn buttons, alone and butterfly (more than the batwings) and use them on my cars with early wheels. I had tucked this wheel away a few years ago with this "incorrect" horn button and forgot about it when I posted the picture. Jim...I agree with you, I like the look but it is "wrong". So here is the correct batwing that was on an 806 10 wheel...now on the 805 10 wheel. Now that I am close to correct, please help me with the original question.

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Thanks guys. My fault with the early horn button. I like the early horn buttons, alone and butterfly (more than the batwings) and use them on my cars with early wheels. I had tucked this wheel away a few years ago with this "incorrect" horn button and forgot about it when I posted the picture. Jim...I agree with you, I like the look but it is "wrong". So here is the correct batwing that was on an 806 10 wheel...now on the 805 10 wheel. Now that I am close to correct, please help me with the original question.

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IMO you have a $650 wheel there with the butterfly horn pad. You can buy an 805.10 all day for $200 needing a re wrap then Dallas custom for $350 plus butterfly for $100. Yours is good as is not sure if your cover is original if it is then there would be a premium added to the $650. Hope this helps.

Thanks Mike! This is the original cover...and very nice shape. No wear, so no reason to consider a recover. I think the 806 10 is original to my 914-6 and I have more horn buttons, so this pair is extra. I will probably use an early wood 360 Nardi in the six (like the one in my softie) but hang onto the original wheel.

Speedo

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Thanks Mike! This is the original cover...and very nice shape. No wear, so no reason to consider a recover. I think the 806 10 is original to my 914-6 and I have more horn buttons, so this pair is extra. I will probably use an early wood 360 Nardi in the six (like the one in my softie) but hang onto the original wheel.

Speedo

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Yes I have my original 806.10 for my six but am running a double wrap 806.10 with a hockey puck right now.

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What Model is a 901 347 081 10 wheel of.Attachment 378216This wheel is factory leather covered with the original horn ring.

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What Model is a 901 347 081 10 wheel of.Attachment 378216This wheel is factory leather covered with the original horn ring.

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400mm leather wheel for 911. Thanks.

-Allen-

RS and RSR steering wheel geeks and others,

I thought I'd keep this thread alive with some photos of my authentic RSR, Part number 914 347 803 10 with a 4 '72 date code. I had my secret source in the South remove the original leather, which had a hole in it, and preserve the original felt and then DUPLICATE the original leather cover stitching and all. IMHO, he did a GREAT Job. Check it out ! Thanks.

-Allen-

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a table with wheel dia., p/n, "backspacing" and grip dia. might be a useful compilation...

Here's a wannabe....no affiliation. :eek:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-1973-Por...lXK4du&vxp=mtr

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Here's a wannabe....no affiliation. :eek:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-1973-Por...lXK4du&vxp=mtr

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I emailed him about that wheel using the info here. Here was his reply:
New message from: thebdg69
"I bought it in 2011 in German at one of the biggest auction houses
I've owned 2 real rs .. I know the difference"

WELL.........he doesn't know the difference at all.

Well I questioned him on the ad when I originally saw it. I pointed out that while it looked like a nice re-stitch, it was a 914 wheel. He responded with a slightly different story...apparently it is tough to keep your story straight.


New message from: thebdg69 (190Turquoise Star)

"This is from the porsche dealer in Stuttgart in 1985 it is correct .. the parts numbers are correct .."

Porsche dealer in Stuttgart in 1985 or 2011 in German at one of the biggest auction houses...

Same difference I guess :rolleyes:

Yep same result its the wrong wheel:D

Looks to me like a 914 wheel with a nice redone wrap but no way factory. I wish I could get a wheel redone to look factory. Some of the places like Dallas do a very nice job but there is still a huge gap from factory appearance.

Thanks to all that contributed to this thread. I’m probably just dense but I ended up reading through it about a dozen times to figure out what’s what and as a result I now have a 380mm steering wheel that I really like.

I bought a “914 347 804 10” wheel dated 9-70 that had already been re-covered with a leather thick grip. I believe that this would have originally been a 914-4 hard rubber wheel. The toughest part was finding an original hockey puck horn button. I ended up buying a couple to get the one that had the right “look”. I popped the wheel on and went for a drive to quickly realize that my fingers were rubbing up against the dash. Ugh.

I bought and installed a 30mm hub extension to solve the problem. Heads-up that if you go this route, you’ll need to drill out the rivets on the steering wheel to install it. I wasn’t too excited about potentially ruining the wheel I just bought but in the end it’s well worth it. I also had to buy a longer horn contact pin to account for the 30mm extension. And while you’re in there, you might as well replace the rubber horn cuff (mine was pretty dried out).

Here’s the end result:

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Nice ! Thanks.

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Judging by the popularity of the thread i thought these photos I have of a 911 wheel should prove interesting.

What do you think it is and why ?

914 347 806 10 3/73

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95mm-97mm in circumference

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There are at least three clues as to whether it is genuine or not

What's are the "numbers?" Thanks.

-Allen-

Photos updated.

You are soooooo quick Allen !

I thought you might be able to make it out on the first photo but realised after uploading there was too much exposure.

Your nice wheel is commonly accepted as an "RS" wheel (as per the number) but the thickness of th grip suggests RSR, what is the circumference of the grip? See this thread for RS versus RSR wheels. RSR are accepted as 914 347 803 10 part number. Thanks.
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...al+wheel+stand

-Allen-

The circumference was stated in the post as 95mm-97mm. It varies depending where it is being measured. The wheel has raised aspects or contours to assist grip.

Mark

Perhaps I could ask you for your opinion on the latest post on this fascinating subject Jim.

A 380mm wheel date stamped 3/73.

Mark

what a threat.

I own a 91434780610 with 73mm circumference or 25-27mm in Diameter, round about 1".

It is stamped 3 70.

Newer ever thought it would be a correct RS wheel.
Did they really used 2 1/2 year old wheels for the RS.


Dirk

Found what I wanted for my ST build. Thanks Jim, for the definitive info in this thread.

They absolutely did.

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what a threat.

I own a 91434780610 with 73mm circumference or 25-27mm in Diameter, round about 1".

It is stamped 3 70.

Newer ever thought it would be a correct RS wheel.
Did they really used 2 1/2 year old wheels for the RS.


Dirk

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Found what I wanted for my ST build. Thanks Jim, for the definitive info in this thread.

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Nick

Your going are going so well you will beat me to the finish post.

So I suppose I have to have one of those too do I??

I'm close to the finish line, Clyde. My ST seats from Michael Eberhardt are now at Auto's International for fitting with leather and fabric. Once they are done the car goes back to the shop for final sorting. I've had the car in my garage for the past month and a half allowing me access to work on some little details including the 380 VDM wheel. I also have a beautiful Nardi and a Zuffenhaus made reproduction Monza wheel that I can swap in anytime. I really need to post some photos....

Keep an eye out for a "correct" 380 wheel, they look proper in the car. You won't be disappointed. The one I found came out a 914-6 when it was 6 months old and hung on a wall ever since. It was so nice I chose not to do a double wrap as it would be a shame to hide or damage the original leather.

What is status on all this?

I found a wheel with no. 914 347 809 00 and wondering how it will fit on my 911 from '71?
All plastic on the back of the wheel is removed.

Will it need a extension hub, will it fit ok or is this a no go?

Any advise will be appreciated.

Frans

Frans,

Tons of info. on this site, search. Anyway, it is a bolt on. But to get the turn signal cancel to work, you have to drill and tap holes for the turn signal cancel ring..not too difficult. Search and you will find. Thanks.

-Allen-

Thanks Allen.
I tried to find a definitiv answer if this specific part no. would fit without any issues. So to prevent ending up with a wheel that is rubbish I asked here, sorry.
But again, thanks for your answer Allen.

Frans

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Thanks Allen.
I tried to find a definitiv answer if this specific part no. would fit without any issues. So to prevent ending up with a wheel that is rubbish I asked here, sorry.
But again, thanks for your answer Allen.

Frans

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http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...eels-THE-TRUTH

Since this is a sticky I thought I would add pictures of my 914.347.803.10 thick grip factory racing wheel. It is dated 4/70 so would not be an RSR wheel too early for that but for sure it was a racing department wheel for either a 911 ST/GT or 914-6 GT, could also be ordered by customers without a race car. Still has its original 3 5/8" leather wrap on it and has cross stitching throughout no baseball stitching at the spokes. Also note there is no padding on the spokes and very minimal leather material on the step down to the metal spokes.

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Thanks Mike. Nice wheel. Here is mine with a 4/72 date code; same part number and "specs." I had to restore mine since the leather had a tear and the p.o. had inscribe his license number on the wheel. I saved the original felt and had it reused so it ended up just like yours, factory !

-Allen-

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Thanks Mike. Nice wheel. Here is mine with a 4/72 date code; same part number and "specs." I had to restore mine since the leather had a tear and the p.o. had inscribe his license number on the wheel. (but saved and used the original felt on the wheel, so the grip is the same as yours, factory !

-Allen-

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Nice job on the wrap, someone knew what they were doing!

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Nice job on the wrap, someone knew what they were doing!

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"Someone" used my old wrap as a pattern, before this wheel, he didn't do it this way but I had him do it. He is Don, at Dallas Steering Wheels and has done a lot of wheels for me. He's a great guy and I recommend him. Thanks.

-Allen-

Here is one Don did for me I was very happy with, he must have used your pattern!

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Excellent !!!

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Another wheel . . .
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...stearing-wheel

. . . 400 mm (?) --- + 'thick grip'(?)

PN = 901 347 081 10

Note 'date' stamp

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I also have a 901 347 081 10 wheel dated 3 72, but my grip is not as thick...cross-stitching except for the thumbrest, where it's baseball stitching.
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And the grip itself is not flat on the front, but matches the wavy look of the back. the wheel was attached to this solid hub, numbered 103; extended hub?
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I also have a 901 347 081 10 wheel dated 3 72, but my grip is not as thick...cross-stitching except for the thumbrest, where it's baseball stitching.
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And the grip itself is not flat on the front, but matches the wavy look of the back. the wheel was attached to this solid hub, numbered 103; extended hub?
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My guess is the wavy look on the front is from an extra cover that was previously on your wheel and made extra marks where the attaching lace was wound around.

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I didn't think about that, Mike...good observation. Maybe I'll wrap it with some moist paper towel and blow dry it to see if it expands back to shape.

Does anyone recognize the hub?

Don't use water. I'd use a leather conditioner on it instead. Lastly, the impressions are likely to be in the soft rubber substrate as well which might never come out even with heat.

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Don't use water. I'd use a leather conditioner on it instead. Lastly, the impressions are likely to be in the soft rubber substrate as well which might never come out even with heat.

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Thanks Michael, I'll try that.

I don't see how the stock wheel was attached to a momo hub, do you photos of this arrangement? The horn contact ring is perplexing, too.

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I don't see how the stock wheel was attached to a momo hub, do you photos of this arrangement? The horn contact ring is perplexing, too.

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Lewis, you might be right...I may be confusing cars; probably from my 87...

Not for sale anymore...

But, what do I have?

914 347 803 10
5 73

Was on a replica RS that was built MANY years ago
Thicker leather grip than what’s on my stock 72 911
Worn leather, great patina, could be original wrap??
Smaller diameter too

Anyone have access to the parts number catalog?

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Not for sale anymore...

But, what do I have?

914 347 803 10
5 73

Was on a replica RS that was built MANY years ago
Thicker leather grip than what’s on my stock 72 911
Worn leather, great patina, could be original wrap??
Smaller diameter too

Anyone have access to the parts number catalog?

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Does it have cross stitching on the 4 spokes or baseball stitch?

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Does it have cross stitching on the 4 spokes or baseball stitch?

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cross stitch

Ray, you're not the first to ask: check it out buddy

http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...914-347-803-10

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Part numbers on 914 wheels

914 347 805 10................... Leather covered, rubber rimmed steering wheel 70/71 914/4 and 914/6 and physically the same as 73 Carrera RSs. (The best choice for 911s) These are the ones
that are flat on the front.
914 347 806 10...................Consensus choice as the correct 73 Carrera RS 380MM steering wheel
914 347 803 10................... Plastic rimmed 70/71 914/4 steering wheel (You can cover these in leather and they work just fine. Double wrap them and they are even better)
914 347 805 11....................Leather covered 72 914/4 steering wheel (with 90 degree counter sink) Not the best choice but they do work better than the later 914/4 wheels with the
beveled counter sink.
914 347 804 11....................Plastic rimmed late 914/4 wheel
914 347 809 00....................74 and later 914/4 "simulated leather" wheels. These things are junk!

Bottom line.........................If it is flat on the front it is best and if it is beveled it will work but not great

Regards

Jim

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Reviving an important thread as I wish to ask some questions about core materials.

I have compared both 803.10 and a standard 400mm steering wheel. I found the latter to have a slight spongy feel whereas the former has a harder feel to it.

As Jim rightly stated above, plastic versus rubber rimmed. My preference is the rubber version (spongy feel), which brings me to the question: Was there ever a thick circumference rubber cored 380mm steering wheel?

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Reviving an important thread as I wish to ask some questions about core materials.

I have compared both 803.10 and a standard 400mm steering wheel. I found the latter to have a slight spongy feel whereas the former has a harder feel to it.

As Jim rightly stated above, plastic versus rubber rimmed. My preference is the rubber version (spongy feel), which brings me to the question: Was there ever a thick circumference rubber cored 380mm steering wheel?

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Rounders (steering wheels in this case)

OK. all this stuff has been covered ad nauseam but I'll chime in as I think there remains (perhaps I'm wrong and someone can post the link) a misconception about "914" wheels..the ones with the counter sink on the front (toward the driver) and the bevel on the back of the wheel where it mates with the steering column shaft. These wheels will fit just fine on 911's. Yes (how many angels can stand on the head of a pin?) the mating between the wheel and the shaft, at the (back, front of of the car) bevel, is not perfect but given all the splines and the length of them, the wheel when tightened is solid as a rock Now, yes, one needs to modify the wheel for the 911 cancel ring, but the wheel will fit just ducky. I had a buyer long ago unhappy after reading that an extended thick trip "914" wheel I sold didn't fit...from a post in this long thread..that was not right! As for the 803.10 plastic wheel, this was the basis for the RSR wheel, that is same part number. BUT the 803.10 RSR wheel has padding and then the leather on top. How can we tell if an 803.10 wheel is an "RSR" wheel? From the date code. However, sure, yes, an early circa 1970 803.10 Might have become an RSR wheel, how would we know? Impossible perhaps. Here is MY original 803. 10 wheel...Also see post #53 below, and others Thanks.
http://www.early911sregistry.org/for...steering+wheel

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Reviving an important thread as I wish to ask some questions about core materials.

I have compared both 803.10 and a standard 400mm steering wheel. I found the latter to have a slight spongy feel whereas the former has a harder feel to it.

As Jim rightly stated above, plastic versus rubber rimmed. My preference is the rubber version (spongy feel), which brings me to the question: Was there ever a thick circumference rubber cored 380mm steering wheel?

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Starting in '73 both the 380mm and 400mm wheels got a fake leather wrap that was a little thicker. When you say you had a standard 400mm version that was spongy what was the date code on it?

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Starting in '73 both the 380mm and 400mm wheels got a fake leather wrap that was a little thicker. When you say you had a standard 400mm version that was spongy what was the date code on it?

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My 400mm is late '69. It'a real leather. The spongy feel is very slight you'd have to press quite hard to get that feel. The plastic steering wheels (803.10) don't have that - it's rock hard.

Hence my question - was there ever a rubber-based thick 380mm steering wheels?

Hi all - Enjoyed this thread so thought I'd throw in my 2c worth (as a 911 and 914-6 Owner)

Firstly there were 2 914-6 wheels, leather was optional the Hard Rubber 914.347.803.10 and Leather 914.347.806.10 (Same number as Carrera RS, Date codes earlier - photo below - see later comment), The other wheel I have is an 914.347.805.10 Dated 6/70 which has been also called leather but the one I have is soft rubber/faux leather (moulded in stitching) and I wonder if that is a bit of poetic licence or a misprint in the 914 parts manual see Autoatlanta or they downgraded it to cut costs, either way it is a 70-71 Wheel, In the Dr B Johnson book I think he is in error when he states firstly that 914 wheel were 400mm and that the splines were different, this just adds to the confusion

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Rounders,

The later, sunken hub, faux leather wheel should be 809 10 part number. If your number is different, it is likely a factory mistake. Please double check. Yes, 914 wheels are ALL 380mm..that's the whole point ! The base 803 10 wheel, ebonite, was often covered with felt and leather and became the de facto standard wheel of the RSR. Thanks.

-Allen-

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The later, sunken hub, faux leather wheel should be 809 10 part number. If your number is different, it is likely a factory mistake.

-Allen-

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It's not a later 'sunken hub' wheel, that's the point, dated 6/70, unless someone can post a picture of a real leather wheel numbered 914.347.805.10? The other side looks like this
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It's not a later 'sunken hub' wheel, that's the point, dated 6/70, unless someone can post a picture of a real leather wheel numbered 914.347.805.10? The other side looks like this
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Your 805.10 wheel dated 6/70 with a flat hub and has a fake leather cover with embossed stitching. Please provide pictures of the whole wheel front and back those fake leather covers did not start until late '72 for '73 cars.

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Your 805.10 wheel dated 6/70 with a flat hub and has a fake leather cover with embossed stitching. Please provide pictures of the whole wheel front and back those fake leather covers did not start until late '72 for '73 cars.

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+1 ! I think Mike (and me) are questioning your wheel and Mike is just stating at the start of his post YOUR statement. Thanks.

What's the skinny on the "914.347.081.10" wheel - flat hub front/recessed hub rear? Thanks

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Your 805.10 wheel dated 6/70 with a flat hub and has a fake leather cover with embossed stitching. Please provide pictures of the whole wheel front and back those fake leather covers did not start until late '72 for '73 cars.

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Hi Mike and Allen,
Below are photos of the wheel, Upon closer inspection I'm wondering if this was leather but has had the cover taken off it (so its the foam base), This is based on the imprint of the under fold at the join, It may have been "refinished" at some point, the foam is oval with a cross section of 19x23mm. I'd appreciate your opinion. Either way I'm going to recover it and it will make a nice wheel.

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Yep, numbers don't usually lie. That is a classic leather covered wheel and the rotted leather has been removed. You can even see where the leather came down below the soft rubber spoke areas. Thanks for the follow up !

-Allen-

Thanks Allen
My only remaining question is what then is the difference between a 914.347.805.10 (914/4 Leather Wheel) and a 914.347.806.10 (914/6 Leather wheel)? I know that some posts above list 914.347.805.10 as the 914/6 Leather but that's not my (nor the parts manuals understanding)
My 914/6 Wheel below, which 1 measure as 23mm across the narrow part of the oval profile, which would be consistent with a 19mm + leather?
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Thanks Allen
My only remaining question is what then is the difference between a 914.347.805.10 (914/4 Leather Wheel) and a 914.347.806.10 (914/6 Leather wheel)? I know that some posts above list 914.347.805.10 as the 914/6 Leather but that's not my (nor the parts manuals understanding)
My 914/6 Wheel below, which 1 measure as 23mm across the narrow part of the oval profile, which would be consistent with a 19mm + leather?
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This is a hot potato issue..in terms of what the "Real" RS wheel is, but it is agreed by most that an authentic RS wheel is the 806.10. That being said, other than the part number, the 805.10 and 806.10 are identical ! Thanks.

-Allen-

Cheers Allen, Yes, I wouldn't claim mine (dated 4/70) is a "real" RS Wheel but this is always a problem when something is a spare, I'm wondering if the 914.347.805.10/914.347.806.10 difference is simply supply chains, one would have been assembled by Porsche and the other by VW, And re the Carrera using a 914 part no, Porsche were looking for all sorts of cost savings in 73

Neven

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Hi Mike and Allen,
Below are photos of the wheel, Upon closer inspection I'm wondering if this was leather but has had the cover taken off it (so its the foam base), This is based on the imprint of the under fold at the join, It may have been "refinished" at some point, the foam is oval with a cross section of 19x23mm. I'd appreciate your opinion. Either way I'm going to recover it and it will make a nice wheel.

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If you are going to recover this wheel I would highly recommend Dallas Custom Steering Wheel!

I have an interesting wheel and would very much appreciate some input from the experts devoted to this thread. This wheel came to me via a 911T that had been modified in the 1990s to an RSR look with "as many correct parts as could be found." I hated the car and barely kept it a year, but I loved the wheel and it has been in my garage for a decade. Thanks for your input.

Part Number: 914 347 803 10
Date Code: 9 73
Wrap: Leather Wrap Thick Grip

914 347 803 10 and the date code Sept, 1973 make it a "real" Porsche 911 RSR steering wheel. It was found on RSRs and was also available as a spare part. Cool wheel. Thanks !

-Allen-

Can someone confirm that all factory leather covered wheels had some kind of an under layer before the leather wrap went on. In other words leather did not go directly on the bare plastic wheels?

Standard leather wrapped wheels start with a tubular steel frame (not a flat frame like a MOMO). Then the rubber core molded over that. Then leather wrap. Nothing between the leather and the rubber.

As for the sport 380s, as has been shown several times, the ebonite core has a felt wrap and then a soft cotton mat (not woven) and then the leather. I highly doubt a leather wrap directly on the ebonite as it would have a tendency to shift.

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That is what I thought.

So, what is the caution on installing a countersunk 914 347 804 11 onto a 901 car? I also have a leather wrap countersunk 914 347 805 11, same question. I don’t install the canceling ring; just something else to break!!!....cliff

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So, what is the caution on installing a countersunk 914 347 804 11 onto a 901 car? I also have a leather wrap countersunk 914 347 805 11, same question. I don’t install the canceling ring; just something else to break!!!....cliff

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The "caution," if there really is one, is around the bevel (see photos) on the "backside" of the countersunk front of the hub. In practice, we think this is no, zero, problem. If anyone has a different experience, please let us know. With all those splines the wheel when bolted is solidly mounted. BTW, never saw a horn cancel ring break unless it was on the wheel and the wheel was dropped. Thanks.
Thanks.

-Allen-

great thread, im in the market for a correct wheel to fit my 1972 ST build

Is it still considered an RSR wheel if the part number (914.347.803.10) is the same but the date code is December 1969?

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914 347 803 10 and the date code Sept, 1973 make it a "real" Porsche 911 RSR steering wheel. It was found on RSRs and was also available as a spare part. Cool wheel. Thanks !

-Allen-

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Is it still considered an RSR wheel if the part number (914.347.803.10) is the same but the date code is December 1969?

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Since no one else as yet answered the question, I'll give it a shot. We know that some well-documented early RS's came with 914.347.806.10 (and rarely 805.10) steering wheels dated 1970. Although later RS's had 1972 and 1973 dated wheels. Using that data, I'd think an RSR could have come with a 1970 wheel. Thanks.

-Allen-

Edited in view of Allen’s correction to his prior post — following the edit it now shows the correct RS 806.10 steering wheel part number for the early RS as per the input from a number of early Carrera RS owners / documented cars plus it aligns to the factory parts manual for the Carreras RS wheel ( uniquely 806.10 is marked 1 in Carrera 2.7 column).


The different factory document in image (attached) shows only one steering wheel part number for Carrera RS with conversion packet M491. It lists this M491 380mm wheel as leather wheel part number 914.347.901.00. This M491 factory parts list was published in Feb 1973 by Porsche at time when Carrera RS M491 were actually being assembled. It is hard copy ( not online PET) and would’ve had a lead time but it is a simpler document than the 72/3 parts list. Information in a hard copy factory source contemporary with the model might inform discussion on the correct M491 wheel for those interested in a relevant factory datapoint.

I don’t have an M491 so personally less concerned about things posted here being correct about M491. However in skimming through posts on the thread it occurs to me a steering wheel 914.347.803.10 dated September 1973 would be after the whole 73 Carrera RS model build programme was completed? Maybe pertinent if using that wheel as an authentic reference example of model 73 M491 steering wheel?

Steve

Thank you.

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Since no one else as yet answered the question, I'll give it a shot. We know that some well-documented early RS's came with 914.347.806.10 (and rarely 805.10) steering wheels dated 1970. Although later RS's had 1972 and 1973 dated wheels. Using that data, I'd think an RSR could have come with a 1970 wheel. Thanks.

-Allen-

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Steering Wheel Geeks and others,

I will DEFER to the RS owners and if NONE had 805.10's so be it ! No problemo. We should, or can add, as far as I know an 914.347.805.10 is identical (except for the part number) to an 806.10. Again, though, I defer. Back to the RSR, weren't ALL RSR's by definition "competition?? Has anyone documented their 914 347 901 00 on their RSR? Actually, RS's are a dime a dozen..just kidding guys..but will the owner of an RSR step up ? I forgot how many there were?...I just looked it up:) only 55. The RSRs were totally awesome! Back 20+ years ago I needed an AOL screen name and DrRSR popped into my mind and I still am. Being real race cars, most of them were modified and successful for many years on the racetrack as all you RS guys, and others are well aware. I love RSR's in their original configuration...as well as RS's too of course. Thanks.

-Allen-

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If you are going to recover this wheel I would highly recommend Dallas Custom Steering Wheel!

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what is go-to way to recover them? i have two 380mm wheels to choose from: 901 347 081 10 (once once leather wrapped) and 914 347 803 10 (plastic rim)

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what is go-to way to recover them? i have two 380mm wheels to choose from: 901 347 081 10 (once once leather wrapped) and 914 347 803 10 (plastic rim)

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TCSracing1 :)

A few places recover but Lakewell does great work. Your can send in to do both or they will send you a DIY kit. https://www.lakewell.com/

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TCSracing1 :)

A few places recover but Lakewell does great work. Your can send in to do both or they will send you a DIY kit. https://www.lakewell.com/

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Looks like Lakewell sends out their steering wheels to Dallas Custom pictures they use has Don's background color in them!

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Looks like Lakewell sends out their steering wheels to Dallas Custom pictures they use has Don's background color in them!

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I just saw the pic and was thinking the same thing. Dallas does great work and Don is a pleasure to work with.

I'm starting an ST project and have found a 914 wheel on eBay with part no. 914 347 804 10 and dated 3/70. This hasn't been mentioned anywhere in this thread I believe and wondered if anyone is aware of it? Is it the same as 914 347 805 10 but just earlier produced? It has the flat hub but looks like its not leather covered and needs recovering etc.

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I'm starting an ST project and have found a 914 wheel on eBay with part no. 914 347 804 10 and dated 3/70. This hasn't been mentioned anywhere in this thread I believe and wondered if anyone is aware of it? Is it the same as 914 347 805 10 but just earlier produced? It has the flat hub but looks like its not leather covered and needs recovering etc.

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Post #56 on this thread.

Thanks! Just bought it for €300.

Just installed an 805.10 on my 70E Targa and it feels great; don’t think I will ever go back to aftermarket like MOMO. Super sturdy and the perfect size. Must say though, 805.10s are getting harder to find and re-wrapping one cost me +$500.

What is the correct rim girth for a thick-covered wheel please?

Thanks.

(I believe) 3 5/8”

Were the 806.10 wheels just standard wrap? Or thick? I see people thick-gripping the lookalike 805.10 wheels but I'm unsure of how the original RS wheels were wrapped.

I believe the original RS wheel (806.10) was just leather wrapped and not padded.

Best,
Ravi

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What is the correct rim girth for a thick-covered wheel please?

Thanks.

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Cruisingnkali is correct; it should be 3 5/8”. I have a 380mm wheel rewrapped by Dallas Steering Wheel and it measure exactly 3 3/4” and it’s unused. Over time and with exposure to the elements, it should shrink to 3 5/8”.

Best,
Ravi

Great thanks, that’s a real help.

Steering us right guys,

We believe the answers above are only half correct. An RS Steering wheel has NO extra padding like an original RSR wheel. The photos below are of an original RSR wheel we own. The grip is about 3 5/8. You can see the padding on the plastic wheel itself and the thin lining on the leather grip of the original wheel. Don redid our wheel keeping and repairing the original padding on the plastic rim of the wheel. An RS wheel does not have this padding. I do not recall the circumference of an original RS wheel but it is about 3 inches. It will feel "thin" compared to today's steering wheels in cars. Searching this forum will give us a confirmed number for a standard 911 leather wrapped wheel, which is the same as a standard RS wheel. From the link below where "andyjboy" wrote: Just measured the circumference of the leather grip on both an 806.10 & an 805.11 - both have their original leather covering & both measure 7.6 cm" (3 inches)

See this thread:
https://www.early911sregistry.org/fo...ng+wheel+stand

-Allen-

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Were the 806.10 wheels just standard wrap? Or thick? I see people thick-gripping the lookalike 805.10 wheels but I'm unsure of how the original RS wheels were wrapped.

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John, You are correct. The 806.10 is the same thickness as the 805.10 wheel (and 400m standard leather wrapped wheel) and are about 3 inches (thin). They are the SAME wheel except for the part number. Neither an
805.10 or 806.10 are thick grip wheels. See answer above for more info. Thanks.

-Allen-
In Austin until 2022.

I had my 805.10 wheel re-wrapped by Tony at Autobahn and the circumference measures 3.5"

Curious, if these are thick wrapped with padding, do you still feel the 'finger grip' along the back? I can still feel this and I like it -- feels a bit vintage to me.

Will an 804.10 bolt directly up to a 911 if the plastic junk is removed?

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Will an 804.10 bolt directly up to a 911 if the plastic junk is removed?

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Awesome thanks! Wasn’t sure because someone talked about needing a 30mm spacer with his 804.10 on page 9 of this thread. I wonder if he didn’t remove the plastic

Anyone know the grip size of a stock 804 10? Looks like they are generally available to buy. So if I wanted to put just a leather layer on it, what size grip might it end up being? I don't want the full thicker version.

Also, it looks like 804 10 is rubber, while the 804 11 is plastic/ebonite. So I would not have to put the foam/cotton layers on the 804 10, but should on the 804 11. Is that right?

Also, on the dreaded 809 00 - foam, faux leather, if one takes off the faux leather, is it possible to recover and make a decent steering wheel out of it? Or does the foam just disintegrate and not leave anything to cover?

[Update: I learned the faux leather is molded in with the foam. Yes, the whole thing can be covered. So I guess it would be no larger than a rubber or plastic/ebonite rim that gets covered, assuming they all start at the same grip size. Except cushier.]

[Update 2: I think I just found a 914/6 original leather wheel, so I won't need to recover a non-leather one. Info pending.]

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Anyone know the grip size of a stock 804 10? Looks like they are generally available to buy. So if I wanted to put just a leather layer on it, what size grip might it end up being? I don't want the full thicker version.

Also, it looks like 804 10 is rubber, while the 804 11 is plastic/ebonite. So I would not have to put the foam/cotton layers on the 804 10, but should on the 804 11. Is that right?

Also, on the dreaded 809 00 - foam, faux leather, if one takes off the faux leather, is it possible to recover and make a decent steering wheel out of it? Or does the foam just disintegrate and not leave anything to cover?

[Update: I learned the faux leather is molded in with the foam. Yes, the whole thing can be covered. So I guess it would be no larger than a rubber or plastic/ebonite rim that gets covered, assuming they all start at the same grip size. Except cushier.]

[Update 2: I think I just found a 914/6 original leather wheel, so I won't need to recover a non-leather one. Info pending.]

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Just remember that a wheel ending in 10 has a, 73 and earlier, 911/914/6 appropriate hub. A wheel ending with an “11” does not.

Hi Jim,

I was just looking at a part on my 912 the other day, thinking that I got the part from you! It's a shame I can't just call you tomorrow and have you send down a 380 mm wheel - or send that 2.0L engine I was last looking for.

On the 10 and 11, maybe I missed something. I thought I read on this crazy long thread that with the 11, it works fine - you just need to drill and countersink the back for the turn signal cancellation piece to fit on properly. Is that not true?

I have another question. I see various opinions on if any of the 914 wheels are dished less than the 911 wheel. I see that some say that it is not, and it's just that the rim is closer in on the slope. But what I have not seen answered is if the RS or RSR that used the 914 wheels used a spacer or not. Anyone know? I've scoured the internet for pictures. It's hard to get a good angle. But it sure looks to me like none of them have a spacer.

I also noticed that almost none of them appear to have the factory leather on them anymore.

All 914 wheels have the same "dished" as a 911 wheel. The 914 wheel on a SWB car will be too close the dash and mostly likely will require a spacer. I used to sell a lot of extended hub wheels. Thanks.

-Allen-

Ah. SWB distinction. Thanks!

I read this thread a couple weeks ago and bought two wheels. An 804.10 and an 805.10. There was a comment on this thread about the 804.10 being too close to the dash and it needing a spacer. They are both close to the dash, no need for a spacer (unless you want one). The 804.10 is just a few screws to remove the plastic and it's a direct bolt up. Thanks for the info Jim, and others. I'm sure it was already mentioned, but the 804.10 is a hard plastic (ebonite). The 805.10 is leather with a rubber base under it. I'd like to wrap the ebonite wheel, but I think the leather would slide around..I'm not sure.

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I read this thread a couple weeks ago and bought two wheels. An 804.10 and an 805.10. There was a comment on this thread about the 804.10 being too close to the dash and it needing a spacer. They are both close to the dash, no need for a spacer (unless you want one). The 804.10 is just a few screws to remove the plastic and it's a direct bolt up. Thanks for the info Jim, and others. I'm sure it was already mentioned, but the 804.10 is a hard plastic (ebonite). The 805.10 is leather with a rubber base under it. I'd like to wrap the ebonite wheel, but I think the leather would slide around..I'm not sure.

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Mike,

Stop second-guessing, you made the right choice to go with the 805.10 :)

/Ravi